Scout Compact Backpackable Archery Bow (Arrows and accessories sold separately)
PRE-SALE INFORMATION - BOWS SHIP JULY 2022
The below is a copy of the Indiegogo launch campaign which can be viewed by clicking here.
A backpackable bow? Aren't there plenty of takedown bows that fit into a backpack?
Well, not quite. In fact when you start looking at which backpacks most people use and how long takedown bows actually are, you realize that the Scout is another unique bow to our range specifically designed to fit INSIDE a backpack. It requires no tools to setup or maintain, accepts sights and quivers and is the world's most compact 60" archery bow.
The Scout Compact Pack Bow shown with optional quiver mounted.
The Scout Compact Pack Bow packs down to just 22".
With the huge popularity of our current Survival Archery Systems folding and compact bows and numerous requests to design yet another bow that can accept sites and other accessories, but at a more affordable price point and with improved ergonomics; we decided to design a bare bones backpackable takedown bow that packed down smaller than anything on the planet, yet still allowed for draw lengths of up to 31". We wanted pure simplicity and we believe we found the perfect solution.
Survival Archery Systems was established in 2014 and currently manufacturers all its bows in Lexington, Kentucky, USA
The challenge, as with our Ranger bow, was to develop a bow that could pack down into a small 22" backpack, yet was long enough when assembled that it did not stack, was cheaper to manufacture and that had superior durability. We also wanted it to be even more compact in design than our previous bows.
We started the design by employing the same design principles used on our other bows with regards stacking; as this allows for the greatest amount of users. Stacking is a phenomenon whereby a bow's draw force curve is smooth in the beginning of the draw and then suddenly shoots up at the end, making it almost impossible to draw it back further. This typically happens when a bow is too short for the archer or when the limb to riser ratio is incorrect.
For a bow to not stack for taller archers, it needs to be about 60" in length or longer. And to get a 60" takedown bow into a 22" backpack is where the big design challenge comes in.
Why is 22" such an important dimension for "backpack-ability"?
Well, most outdoorsmen prefer to carry 1-day or 3-day packs into the field. These packs are about 22-23" in length and are easier to move around with especially when on the hunt.
A standard sized one-day backpack used by many hunters.
Our research showed that there are currently no 60"+ bows on the market that can fit into this length of backpack other than those already offered by our company, Survival Archery Systems, which was founded back in 2014 and continues to produce bows in Kentucky, USA even during the COVID-19 pandemic. Some other bows come close, but the limbs are around 24-26" in length when taken down and just don't fit. Bows with 22" limbs are typically shorter than 56" total bow length and therefore stack fairly quickly when used by taller archers.
Another important thing to consider is that most recurve limbs are not very compact nor robust when thrown around in a pack. As you will see later, we overcame the need for using a recurve style limb to reduce stacking by using a hi-tech, straight, deep flex composite fiber limb that allows for a smooth draw and an efficient stroke and is super strong to boot. Deep flex is something traditional materials are just not as good at.
So with the right riser and limb design together with our time tested materials we had the basis we needed for our new bare bones survival bow. The rest was just putting the right features in the right places to fulfill our design criteria.
And don't worry about arrows being too long to pack either, as we have a solution for that too with our awesome takedown arrows we have been selling since 2014.
Survival Archery Systems Takedown Arrows
THE DESIGN CRITERIA AND SCOUT TAKEDOWN SURVIVAL BOW DEVELOPMENT
So our lead engineer got to work designing the new bow. Coming from 15 years in an automotive design and development environment and having already developed 4 compact bows for Survival Archery Systems he tackled this engineering project using the same design principles employed there. Here are the design criteria he set.
- Be smaller in volume than all current SAS bows.
- Be made in the USA
- 31” Maximum draw
- Be ambidextrous
- Must not stack
- Fit into a standard 22" (559mm) backpack
- Weigh between 2.5 and 2.9lbs (1,14 and 1.32kg)
- Be durable
- Be corrosion resistant and weather proof
- Accept sites, quiver and arrows rests
- Be shot with fingers or a release
- Be shot off the shelf or off an arrow rest
- Shoot quietly
After all was said and done and the first prototypes came off the production line we ended up with a bow that met all our design criteria and we were happy with every aspect of it. It had surpassed our expectations.
The final design is a riser and limb set that both measure 22" and fit into most standard day-packs. Our bows will be manufactured at our factory in Kentucky, USA and will use corrosion resistant components throughout. The total package weighs in at around 2.8lbs (draw weight dependent) and is able to accept sites, quivers and arrow rests using the ATA standard for mounting and threads.
The Scout Compact Pack Bow - Aerospace grade aluminum riser, hi-tech composite limbs, carbon end plates and 316 stainless steel screws (accessories shown not included).
The Scout Compact Pack Bow at full draw.
The riser is made from an aerospace grade T6 aluminum and can be shot both left and right handed simply by swapping the limbs around prior to stringing. Our structural simulation software, Creo, has shown that the riser is theoretically capable of "lasting a lifetime" unless you are capable of shooting many millions of shots in your time. The below image shows one of our structural computer simulations of a bow at 31" draw and over 70# of draw force. The colors indicate that this bow sees low stresses when compared to the strength of material chosen for the final production.
Finite Element Analysis run using our advanced structural software showing low stresses under extreme draw force.
The limbs are made from the same high-tech composite material that we have been using since 2014 and that are also used on most US made compound bows in the market. To date we have (touch wood) not heard of any of our limbs failing in the field. Note: These special limbs must be used together with an endless loop B-50 Dacron string so as to fit correctly into the string groove on the rear of the riser. Our limbs are not compatible with flemish twist or other larger diameter strings.
The Scout's limbs are manufactured using a US made hi-tech composite material we have used since 2014 and which can be found on many of the US made compound bows on the market today.
The final specifications can be viewed in the table below.
THE OPPORTUNITY - "WITH YOUR HELP WE CAN DO IT!"
In order to prove the concept we had to make the initial investment into the riser production tooling, which was the major expense of this project. Now that we are happy with the bows performance and durability, we need your help to complete all the other parts that will refine and round the bow off. These include the cost optimized riser extrusion tool, limbs in production quantities, carbon inserts and stainless steel hardware. The funds will also allow us to produce higher volumes at the start of the project to bring the cost down to our target pricing.
Your pledge will go directly into the manufacture of the tooling required to produce these parts on a volume scale, as well as invest in the minimum order quantities for limbs. We have most of it covered, but need that last little bit of help from our backers.
Help us to get this project over its last hurdle and bring this awesome bow to life so we can help adventurers around the world spend more time in those hard to get to places few have ever been.
The Scout Compact Pack Bow showing some with some of the accessories that can be used with the bow. Accessories are sold separately and are not included with the bow.
Available rewards - See poundage availability and recommendations below.
Choosing a reward is pretty straight forward and involves 2 STEPS:
STEP 1. Start by choosing your desired package from the list of rewards. You can choose from poundages of 40#, 45#, 50# and 55#. See further info under "AVAILABLE POUNDAGE OPTIONS" below on how this works.
The Scout Pack Bow
STEP 2. Add extra accessories to your order by choosing the perks just before checking out. The accessories page also scrolls to the right for more options.
The Scout Pack Bow riser and limbs (accessories not included with bow)
AVAILABLE POUNDAGE OPTIONS
We have only 4 poundage options available: 40#, 45#, 50# and 55# all measured at 28" draw. Every person is different and the poundage you choose will depend on a number of factors including your height, strength, level of fitness, years of archery experience, etc. We do not offer lower poundages as those are typically more orientated toward target shooting and are not effective hunting poundages.
Here are some general guidelines to help you choose your poundage if you are totally new to archery.
- Accuracy is the goal: This may sound silly, but what we mean by this is that everything you do in archery must allow you to shoot accurately. So when choosing a bow the first thing to consider is which bow poundage will allow you to shoot the most accurately. The answer to that is somewhat simple, but also somewhat complicated.
- Don't try be a hero (even though you may already be one): Archery is more about consistency than brute force. A heavier poundage bow does not always mean a better and more accurate bow. The most accurate poundage is the poundage you can comfortably hold at full draw without straining and shaking. The less you strain and shake the easier it is to hold your shot on target and the more consistent you will be.
- A lower poundage allows for better form: The lower the poundage the easier it is for you to develop correct form and technique. And the better your form and technique the more accurate you will be. If your poundage is too heavy then you may develop poor form from using incorrect muscle groups to draw your bow and that will affect accuracy too.
- Draw length: Lastly, bows are rated at 28" of draw. That means that a 50# bow will have a force of 50# on your finger when you draw the bow to 28" measured from 2" in front of the throat of the grip (more or less the front of the riser). A good approximation for draw length can be found by measuring the distance in inches from fingertip to fingertip with your arms stretched out either side of you and then dividing that measurement by 2.5. If you are above 28" you have a longer than average draw and below you have a shorter than average draw.
If you have a longer than average draw you will pull the bow back further than a shorter draw archer. A longer draw archer will therefore experience more force than a shorter archer with the same poundage bow. It is for this reason that we suggest that longer draw archers new to the sport err on the side of caution and choose a lower poundage than suggested for a medium draw archer.
On the same note a shorter draw archer will draw the bow less and therefore experience less force than a medium draw archer. So, he may be able to go a little up on the poundage.
At the end of the day it is important for you to choose a poundage that works for you and for the activities you choose to enjoy with your bow. If you are able to get to an archery store and try out a recurve or longbow to help you decide then that would be ideal. Don't get your poundage for a compound bow though, as a compound bow is totally different because it has "let-off" at full draw; which means a compound bow of a similar rating is much easier to hold at full draw than a longbow or recurve bow. If you can't get to a store, then here is our very broad guideline to help you choose. This is for archers of a medium height corresponding to the weights given here.
Scout Ballpark Poundage Suggestions
Whether you like to keep it simple and shoot off the shelf or are used to shooting a bow with all the bells and whistles, we have you covered with some accessories from both ourselves and Truglo.
If you would like any of these simply add them to your checkout cart once you have chosen your reward. The accessories also scroll to the right so be sure to check them all out during perk add-on.
SAFETY NOTE: We strongly suggest you make use of an arm guard and a finger tab or shooting glove to protect your fingers from string friction and your forearm from string slap. And of course, ALWAYS WEAR SAFETY GLASSES WHEN ENJOYING ARCHERY.
Survival Archery Systems Takedown Arrows - 3 Pack - ADD $60
3 Pack of SAS Takedown Arrows - ADD $60
Precision Fit Marine Grade 316 Stainless Steel Insert
Our SAS arrows start out as an Easton XX75 Gamegetter Aluminum Shaft. We then get to cutting, cleaning, fletching, epoxing and at the end of this long and expensive process out pops what is classed by many as the best takedown arrow on the market. Aluminum is simply a safer option for a takedown arrows and our testing proved this so decisively that we abandoned the carbon arrows we had developed. These arrows are not cheap, but considering they are made in the USA and with all the work that goes into making them they certainly are value for money.
- 31" long
- 7075 T9 Aluminum shaft
- 316 Stainless steel connector
- Easton Diamond Vanes
- Combo points included
Bear Weather Rest Right Hand - ADD $10
Bear Weather Rest (Right Handed) - ADD $10
- The Weatherest, by Bear Archery.
- Installs quickly and easily.
- Weather resistant.
This pad will be required if you prefer to shoot arrows with vanes rather than feather fletchings. It will be stuck directly to the riser. Note that this may cause the arrows to sit ever so slightly higher during transport mode and therefore not 100% flush as compared to when no arrow rest is present. One option would be to use a velcro backing and your arrow rest of choice.
Spare 60" B-50 Dacron String - ADD $15
OMP 60" B-50 16 Strand Dacron String - ADD $15
- The Scout Pack Bow is designed to work with a 16 strand B-50 Dacron endless loop string. We suggest the purchase of a spare string or two.
OMP Arm Guard 2 Strap Vented - ADD $15
OMP Arm Guard 2 Strap Vented- ADD $15
- 7" suede leather vented arm guard with adjustable Velcro straps.
- Fits both left and right hand users.
October Mountain Ranger Tab Large - ADD $15
October Mountain Ranger Tab Large
- Only available in large.
- Split finger tab with aluminum construction and stainless steel hardware.
Truglo Carbon Hybrid 5 Pin 19 (Black) - ADD $88
Truglo Carbon Hybrid MIC 5 Pin 19 (Black) - ADD $88
HYPER•STRIKE™ combines fan-favorite features with new innovations in the world of bow sights. Decreasing Diameter Pins increase accuracy at longer ranges, while the TRU•LITE™ PRO rotary light illuminates your pins to extend your hunt through crucial low light prime–time. With multiple mounting positions, the MAXAMOUNT™ bracket provides more setup options than ever before.
- Lightweight carbon composite and aluminum construction
- Micro–adjustable windage and elevation
- 2nd and 3rd axis adjustable level
- Extra–long fibers for maximum brightness
- Large circular field of view (1.9 in. dia.)
- Decreasing Diameter Pin (DDP) design uses smaller pins for longer distances
- MAXAMOUNT™ bracket offers three sight radius positions with high / low mounting holes for numerous mounting options
- Unique PRO•BRITE™ pin design for increased durability and brightness
- Glow–in–the–dark shooter’s ring
- TRU•TOUCH™ soft–feel technical coating
- Adjustable for left and right–handed shooters
Truglo Tru-Tec LT Quiver (Black) - ADD $51
Truglo Tru-Tec LT Quiver (Black) - ADD $51
- Ultra–lightweight aluminum construction
- Weighs less than 10 oz.
- Interchangeable colored vibration–dampening inserts
- POSITIVE•LOCK mounting bracket
- Smooth, one–hand removal
- Hanging loop for treestands or ground blinds
- Mounting bracket adjusts up / down to better fit all bows
- Rubber hood insert reduces noise and won’t dull broadheads
- Fits both carbon and aluminum arrows
- Fits both mechanical and fixed–blade broadheads
- Fits both left and right–handed bows
- TRU•TOUCH™ soft–feel technical coating
The good news is that in order to develop our prototypes we had to invest in the tooling required for the riser and limb manufacturing up front. So the bulk of the project is already paid for and most the long lead-time items are already complete as you can see from our video showing the prototype parts which are off tool.
The only long lead time item is the riser extrusion for the billet feedstock that we machine the risers from. The supplier needs to make the tool, deliver samples to size that we then sign off prior to him extruding material for our production run. This is about a 3 month process.
The rest of the small parts and processes are easy parts of the project. Therefore, production will start once we reach our funding goal and will follow the timing below. As you can see, we have been working for quite some time on this and are pretty much done.
Current Project Timeline
NOTE: Depending on the number of backers please note that bows will start to be fulfilled in June, but some of the later orders may only go out at a later date as manufacturing capability allows.
RISKS AND CHALLENGES
Over the past 18 months during the Covid pandemic we have been full steam ahead producing our current line of bows and at much higher levels than usual. Whilst it has been a good season for the company, we have had a number of challenges with the severely impacted manufacturing sector which has been hit by material shortages and has at times seen long delays. Whilst we managed to keep production of our Tactical, Recon and Atmos units going successfully two of our machining and coating manufacturers where hit by material and supply delays which has seen lengthy waits for our Ranger bows.
This has highlighted to us that materials, specifically aluminum is in very high demand and the industry is seeing shortages currently as well as inflated prices.
So our risk is not related to the project and product being successful, but rather with regards to the timing of shipping. The risk being a potential delay in the production of the Scout risers should leadtimes for the extrusion push out beyond the current quoted leadtimes we have been given by the extruder. In order to mitigate this risk we have approached more than one extruder for quotation. This should derisk the supply side to some extent.
We plan to further derisk the project by issuing purchase orders for the extrusions soon as we hit our funding goal which will hopefully be in the early part of the campaign.
Other than material supply we already have all our designs confirmed by way of computer simulation and prototype testing. Our suppliers are otherwise waiting for the go-ahead to put the parts into production for us. These are longstanding suppliers I have used for many years and given availability of materials I personally guarantee you that if we get the funding we will deliver a quality product to you.
Back our project and help us to bring this project to completion. To do so simply choose one of our rewards above and let us do the rest. Thank you for taking the time to view our project! Our team has worked hard so we hope you enjoyed it! To back our project choose one of the rewards of your choice.
LONG LASTING DESIGN
We have designed the product using advanced structural software to ensure the product only experiences stresses below its material fatigue limit and thus it is deemed designed for what engineers call "infinite life". Using the same design principles and trusted software I used during my career as an automotive design engineer I have created a product that is both safe and durable. To date, we have not received any warranty returns from our current archery products since our company launch in 2014 and trust this product will show the same success.
Scout Pack Bow - Allows mounting of sites and quivers (sold separately)
A NOTE FROM OUR DIRECTOR
My name is Doug Shadwell and I am the founder and director of Survival Archery Systems which is situated in the heart of the Bluegrass in Lexington, Kentucky, USA.
Survival Archery Systems - Established 2014 and situated in Lexington, Kentucky, USA.
After a 14 year career as an automotive design engineer and project manager and having worked all over the world, I decided to pursue my own business in product development. I launched my first product under Survival Archery Systems which has been in business since 2014 and our current products are considered by many as the premium brand in their niche of compact folding bows. We also introduced a compact takedown bow, the Atmos, which serves the goal of taking us more into the regular side of archery so that we can increase our market share with all the products we have planned for the future.
Our products are proudly made in America by American hands who share our passion for archery. A simple Google search for Survival Archery Systems or SAS Survival Bow will will give you a good idea of our existing range. You may also visit our website at www.survivalarcherysystems.com for more info and details on what we do.
Doug Shadwell - Behind his design station where he enjoys things most.
I would like to thank you up front for backing our Scout Pack Bow project if you do, and invite you to contact me anytime during this campaign should you have any questions. I will personally be answering your questions so look forward to hearing from you.